Solar’s Wild Ride: Triumphs, Scams & 2026 Predictions

With Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett,
Podcast Hosts, Less Talk, More Action
In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome reflect on a transformative year in clean energy and real estate, discussing the ups and downs of the solar industry, the effects of policy shifts like the Inflation Reduction Act, and the current landscape for building decarbonization. The conversation highlights the challenges of stalled funding, the need for ambitious yet practical sustainability goals, the realities of implementing energy efficiency projects, and the importance of economic fundamentals in commercial real estate. Listeners will take away honest insights into what drives meaningful progress in sustainability and business, and an invitation to take bold action in the face of uncertainty. Don’t miss this great conversation!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to the Episode and Taking Action (0:05)
  • Solar Industry Growth and Challenges (3:08)
  • AI, Cambio, and Driving Client Action (6:10)
  • Reflections on Green Funding, Inflation Reduction Act, and Project Stalls (9:04)
  • Market Realities, Electricity Prices, and Industry Optimism (12:10)
  • Setting Ambitious Goals and Google’s Ethos (15:10)
  • Decarbonizing Buildings: Lessons, Spark Gap, and Net Zero (18:10)
  • The Role of AI, Shifting Corporate Commitments, and Market Uncertainty (21:10)
  • Brown vs. Green Buildings, GRESB Scores, and Incentive Flaws (24:16)
  • Closing Remarks, Holiday Wishes, and Podcast Outlook (27:15)

 

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.

About the Hosts

Joel Cesare
Joel Cesare is a visionary leader in sustainable real estate, currently serving as Growth Lead at Cambio, an AI building retrofit analytics platform. He previously led Google's $50B global net zero real estate program and oversaw the building of Santa Monica's City Hall East, one of the world's greenest buildings. Recognized with awards like ENR Top 25 Newsmaker, Living Future Hero, Building Design & Construction 40 under 40, his mission is to dream, inspire and deliver.
Owen Barrett
Owen Barrett is the world's foremost expert in solar on multifamily properties. Owen is currently the CEO of Shine and has over 12 years of experience in the clean technology sector covering fuel cells, HVAC, LED lighting, and of course, solar. Owen is the former Global Energy Manager of a Fortune 500 company and a successful founder with two exits.

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