Bits That Move Atoms: Scaling Sustainable Design with C.Scale

With Jack Rusk,
Co-Founder and CEO, C.Scale
In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Jack Rusk, Co-Founder and CEO of C.Scale, a software startup revolutionizing embodied carbon analysis in building design. During the conversation, Jack explains how his company uses data science and machine learning to help architects and engineers make more sustainable choices early in the design process, focusing on whole life carbon emissions. The conversation also explores the challenges of decarbonizing the construction industry, the importance of looking beyond individual actions to systemic changes, and the potential for technology to drive meaningful environmental impact. Key takeaways include the significant carbon reduction potential in early design decisions, the need for unified demand signals for low-carbon materials, the importance of supporting design professionals in transforming projects from the inside, and so much more.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Positive Trend Segment (1:37)
  • Jack’s Background & C.Scale Mission (4:08)
  • Challenges in Architectural Decision-Making (8:00)
  • Role of Software in Decarbonization (10:13)
  • Jack’s Career Journey (13:08)
  • Lifecycle Assessment (LCA) & Building Design (17:42)
  • Integrating Financial Data & Cost-Carbon Tradeoffs (23:58)
  • Material Choices & Embodied Carbon (26:03)
  • Scope of Analysis in Retrofits & New Builds (31:09)
  • Supply Chain Decarbonization & Market Signals (36:39)
  • C.Scale’s North Star & Future Vision (00:39:49)
  • Connecting with C.Scale and Parting Thoughts (43:17)

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About the Hosts

Joel Cesare
Joel Cesare is a visionary leader in sustainable real estate, currently serving as Growth Lead at Cambio, an AI building retrofit analytics platform. He previously led Google's $50B global net zero real estate program and oversaw the building of Santa Monica's City Hall East, one of the world's greenest buildings. Recognized with awards like ENR Top 25 Newsmaker, Living Future Hero, Building Design & Construction 40 under 40, his mission is to dream, inspire and deliver.
Owen Barrett
Owen Barrett is the world's foremost expert in solar on multifamily properties. Owen is currently the CEO of Shine and has over 12 years of experience in the clean technology sector covering fuel cells, HVAC, LED lighting, and of course, solar. Owen is the former Global Energy Manager of a Fortune 500 company and a successful founder with two exits.

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