Why AI is Your New Business Superpower in Sustainability

With Kevin Surace,
Leading AI and Futurist Speaker, Entrepreneur, and Innovator
In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen are joined by AI and sustainability pioneer Kevin Surace. The conversation dives into how AI is transforming solar energy projects, building efficiency, and the broader challenges of sustainability, from retrofitting icons like the Empire State Building to overcoming market barriers and upfront costs. Listeners will gain key insights on leveraging proprietary data for better solar analyses, the importance of realistic optimism in addressing climate change, practical advice for adopting innovative technologies in traditional industries, and so much more.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:56)
  • Reconnecting With Kevin and the Power Of AI (3:21)
  • Creating Smarter Solar Layouts Using AI Data (6:00)
  • AI’s Role In Content Creation and Workflow Automation (9:41)
  • Kevin’s Sustainability Journey and the Empire State Building Project (12:45)
  • Overcoming Market Barriers with Smart Retrofits (16:05)
  • Breaking Down Upfront Costs and Payback Challenges (20:27)
  • Engineering the Empire State Building Retrofit (24:07)
  • The Science of Energy Efficiency Windows (27:46)
  • The Future of Energy and The Rise Of Nuclear Power (34:00)
  • Addressing Environmental Policy and Realistic Optimism (44:14)
  • Change Management and Tackling Industry Skepticism (52:13)
  • Advice for Building Successful AI Tools in Clean Tech (58:21)
  • Hope for the Future and Parting Thoughts (1:01:29)

 

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com.

About the Hosts

Joel Cesare
Joel Cesare is a visionary leader in sustainable real estate, currently serving as Growth Lead at Cambio, an AI building retrofit analytics platform. He previously led Google's $50B global net zero real estate program and oversaw the building of Santa Monica's City Hall East, one of the world's greenest buildings. Recognized with awards like ENR Top 25 Newsmaker, Living Future Hero, Building Design & Construction 40 under 40, his mission is to dream, inspire and deliver.
Owen Barrett
Owen Barrett is the world's foremost expert in solar on multifamily properties. Owen is currently the CEO of Shine and has over 12 years of experience in the clean technology sector covering fuel cells, HVAC, LED lighting, and of course, solar. Owen is the former Global Energy Manager of a Fortune 500 company and a successful founder with two exits.

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